Comments on: Witherington on CNN (and my thoughts too) http://www.dennyburk.com/witherington-on-cnn-and-my-thoughts-too/ A commentary on theology, politics, and culture Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:07:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Don Johnson http://www.dennyburk.com/witherington-on-cnn-and-my-thoughts-too/#comment-41822 Don Johnson Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:19:24 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2218#comment-41822 If you read the Jewish writings about what they thought at the time of Jesus, you can see that they were not sure if there were 1 or 2 Messiahs, the suffering servant Messiah ben Joseph and the conquering king Messiah ben David is what they named them. Christianity was well within the different Judaisms plural of the day and was considered a sect of Judaism like the Pharisees were. If you read the Jewish writings about what they thought at the time of Jesus, you can see that they were not sure if there were 1 or 2 Messiahs, the suffering servant Messiah ben Joseph and the conquering king Messiah ben David is what they named them. Christianity was well within the different Judaisms plural of the day and was considered a sect of Judaism like the Pharisees were.

]]> By: Michael Metts http://www.dennyburk.com/witherington-on-cnn-and-my-thoughts-too/#comment-41794 Michael Metts Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:04:11 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2218#comment-41794 Is it because the predominant Jewish position was a rejection of Jesus as the Messiah, so any other view was seen as a mutation? Is it because the predominant Jewish position was a rejection of Jesus as the Messiah, so any other view was seen as a mutation?

]]> By: Michael Metts http://www.dennyburk.com/witherington-on-cnn-and-my-thoughts-too/#comment-41766 Michael Metts Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:52:06 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2218#comment-41766 EDIT: <i>"Why is Christianity seen..."</i> EDIT: “Why is Christianity seen…”

]]> By: Chris http://www.dennyburk.com/witherington-on-cnn-and-my-thoughts-too/#comment-41765 Chris Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:49:34 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2218#comment-41765 When did he appear on CNN? This looks like a clip from 1980 based upon his suit. When did he appear on CNN? This looks like a clip from 1980 based upon his suit.

]]> By: Michael Metts http://www.dennyburk.com/witherington-on-cnn-and-my-thoughts-too/#comment-41764 Michael Metts Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:42:11 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2218#comment-41764 Dr. Burk, I was curious about some of the things I'd heard on the Gabriel Stone. Your post really cleared it up. I had asked someone before, but I'll ask you (since they didn't respond): Why Christianity is seen as a mutation arising from the Hebrew culture and scriptures, on the point of a suffering Messiah, when so many OT scriptures delineate this idea? Would it not be more fair to declare that the mutation is in fact the failed recognition of the Hebrews to perceive Jesus as the Messiah, who suffered according to God's written and wise plan — instead of declaring the mainstream understanding of the culture which runs cross to the Word as the proper and the un-mutated stance? I hope this does not sound anti-Semitic. I have (skim) read a couple of the news reports on the Gabriel Stone which declare that most scholars agree that a suffering Messiah runs cross with Jewish expectations and is unique to Christianity but this doesn't seem to be a fair statement since the evidence for the suffering Messiah was rooted in the very story, God's Word, that has so richly permeated Jewish culture. Dr. Burk,

I was curious about some of the things I’d heard on the Gabriel Stone. Your post really cleared it up. I had asked someone before, but I’ll ask you (since they didn’t respond):

Why Christianity is seen as a mutation arising from the Hebrew culture and scriptures, on the point of a suffering Messiah, when so many OT scriptures delineate this idea? Would it not be more fair to declare that the mutation is in fact the failed recognition of the Hebrews to perceive Jesus as the Messiah, who suffered according to God’s written and wise plan — instead of declaring the mainstream understanding of the culture which runs cross to the Word as the proper and the un-mutated stance? I hope this does not sound anti-Semitic.

I have (skim) read a couple of the news reports on the Gabriel Stone which declare that most scholars agree that a suffering Messiah runs cross with Jewish expectations and is unique to Christianity but this doesn’t seem to be a fair statement since the evidence for the suffering Messiah was rooted in the very story, God’s Word, that has so richly permeated Jewish culture.

]]> By: Nick http://www.dennyburk.com/witherington-on-cnn-and-my-thoughts-too/#comment-41763 Nick Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:11:49 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2218#comment-41763 I agree. William Lane Craig has recently discussed this as well: http://www.rfmedia.org/blog/audio/rf_audiocast-2008-07-09-61966.mp3 The first few minutes he discusses the Louisiana Science education act but after that he raises some interesting points about this tablet. Craig Hazen has also commented here: http://www.biola.edu/news/articles/2008/080710_tablet_hazen.cfm As well as Gary Habermas: http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/gabrielsvision1/gabrielsvision.htm I agree. William Lane Craig has recently discussed this as well:

http://www.rfmedia.org/blog/audio/rf_audiocast-2008-07-09-61966.mp3

The first few minutes he discusses the Louisiana Science education act but after that he raises some interesting points about this tablet.

Craig Hazen has also commented here:
http://www.biola.edu/news/articles/2008/080710_tablet_hazen.cfm

As well as Gary Habermas:
http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/gabrielsvision1/gabrielsvision.htm

]]>