Comments on: The State of the American Woman http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/ A commentary on theology, politics, and culture Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:54:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mrs. Webfoot http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53850 Mrs. Webfoot Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:54:52 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53850 Tootiloo, or threetiloo... :-) Tootiloo, or threetiloo…

:-)

]]> By: Sue http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53849 Sue Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:37:23 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53849 Thank you, Mrs. W and I appreciate very much that you have taken care to close on such a kind note. Thank you. See you later. Thank you, Mrs. W and I appreciate very much that you have taken care to close on such a kind note. Thank you. See you later.

]]> By: Mrs. Webfoot http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53848 Mrs. Webfoot Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:30:35 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53848 You know, I understand. I have been mistreated by people I had cared about and trusted, and those people wish to silence me and cover up what they did - in effecting telling me that I caused my own abuse. So, I get it, Sue. Maybe there will be some healing come out of this. I'm not sure what's going on with the CBMW and the TNIV "thing", but something's afoot. Hey, take care, Mrs. Webfoot You know, I understand. I have been mistreated by people I had cared about and trusted, and those people wish to silence me and cover up what they did – in effecting telling me that I caused my own abuse.

So, I get it, Sue. Maybe there will be some healing come out of this. I’m not sure what’s going on with the CBMW and the TNIV “thing”, but something’s afoot.

Hey, take care,
Mrs. Webfoot

]]> By: Mrs. Webfoot http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53847 Mrs. Webfoot Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:07:02 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53847 Sue, I appreciate your concerns. I think that I overstated my case, actually. You know, honestly, I don't think that you are an unforgiving, unloving kind of a person. Sorry to have accused you of that. I think I understand what you are saying, even though I think that you are overstating your case. Yes, it is a serious thing when a person is abused in a church setting. I do take it seriously. I have been mistreated online by people I had trusted, so I tend to overstate my case. It is something that still bothers me, but less now. Hey, have a good evening, Sue, and maybe we'll go at it again one day. God bless, Mrs. Webfoot Sue, I appreciate your concerns. I think that I overstated my case, actually. You know, honestly, I don’t think that you are an unforgiving, unloving kind of a person.

Sorry to have accused you of that.

I think I understand what you are saying, even though I think that you are overstating your case.

Yes, it is a serious thing when a person is abused in a church setting. I do take it seriously.

I have been mistreated online by people I had trusted, so I tend to overstate my case. It is something that still bothers me, but less now.

Hey, have a good evening, Sue, and maybe we’ll go at it again one day.

God bless,
Mrs. Webfoot

]]> By: Sue http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53846 Sue Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:54:52 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53846 I also don't think you have any idea of the personal damage done to the translators of the TNIV. Just recounting all this reminds me of how distasteful it is. I will have to stop but this kind of religion leaves a very bad taste in the mouth all around. I also don’t think you have any idea of the personal damage done to the translators of the TNIV. Just recounting all this reminds me of how distasteful it is. I will have to stop but this kind of religion leaves a very bad taste in the mouth all around.

]]> By: Sue http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53845 Sue Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:50:45 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53845 As I also said, this is published in a book. Dr. Packer has himself published the fact that his wife does not agree with him on the position of women. This is not something I say out of bitterness, but admiration. As I also said, this is published in a book. Dr. Packer has himself published the fact that his wife does not agree with him on the position of women. This is not something I say out of bitterness, but admiration.

]]> By: Sue http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53843 Sue Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:48:40 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53843 I am not sure that we should always forgive without some accounting. Are we to simply ignore slander in our midst but not ignore homosexuality, for example. This affects the whole Christian community. I said what I did about Dr. Packer to say that he is not himself someone who understands what men do who subjugate women. This is not something that he seems to be aware of. But we cannot let violence and subjugation have free rein in the church. I am not sure that we should always forgive without some accounting.

Are we to simply ignore slander in our midst but not ignore homosexuality, for example. This affects the whole Christian community.

I said what I did about Dr. Packer to say that he is not himself someone who understands what men do who subjugate women. This is not something that he seems to be aware of. But we cannot let violence and subjugation have free rein in the church.

]]> By: Mrs. Webfoot http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53842 Mrs. Webfoot Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:21:46 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53842 Sue, forgiveness doesn't have to do with what those who you say have offended you do. It is a heart attitude. You are coming across as bitter and unforgiving. Much of what you say against these people seems to be of a very personal, even vindictive nature. Just FYI. Sue, forgiveness doesn’t have to do with what those who you say have offended you do. It is a heart attitude.

You are coming across as bitter and unforgiving. Much of what you say against these people seems to be of a very personal, even vindictive nature.

Just FYI.

]]> By: Sue http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53832 Sue Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:00:46 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53832 I voted with Dr. Packer and the church against same sex blessing. And then it all began to unravel. I started to read the ESV and the things in their just made my blood run cold. How did the ESV team decide that if leadership or teaching were involved, then they must translate anthropoi as "men" but if salvation was in view, then they translated anthropoi as "people" and then they claim to have produced a concordant translation. How could they wish to bring women down like that. What man wants to reduce and exclude women and bring women down. What kind of Christianity is that?? Also consider that the view that Junia was known the the apostles is based on an article that is nonsensical. I would say that the ESV team need to take the beam out of their own eye before the speck out of the eye of the TNIV. In my view, the ESV supporters have won the day, and this demonstrates to me that sometimes the truth does not win out. It is a sad mess. I voted with Dr. Packer and the church against same sex blessing. And then it all began to unravel. I started to read the ESV and the things in their just made my blood run cold.

How did the ESV team decide that if leadership or teaching were involved, then they must translate anthropoi as “men” but if salvation was in view, then they translated anthropoi as “people” and then they claim to have produced a concordant translation. How could they wish to bring women down like that. What man wants to reduce and exclude women and bring women down. What kind of Christianity is that??

Also consider that the view that Junia was known the the apostles is based on an article that is nonsensical. I would say that the ESV team need to take the beam out of their own eye before the speck out of the eye of the TNIV.

In my view, the ESV supporters have won the day, and this demonstrates to me that sometimes the truth does not win out. It is a sad mess.

]]> By: Sue http://www.dennyburk.com/the-state-of-the-american-woman/#comment-53829 Sue Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:51:05 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=5593#comment-53829 <i>The dehumanized have the right to dehumanize their oppressors, and the oppressors have no right to voice a complaint.</i> I don't see the oppressors asking for forgiveness. There is no acknowledgement of the truth. The truth is that the TNIV is as respectable a Bible as the ESV. What was done to the translators of the TNIV is simply wrong, spiritually and in my view legally. They were false accusations and very unsavoury. Christianity has taken on a very different flavour for me since this attack. I see now it not personal against me, but a broad attack against anyone, or any group that does not give in to CBMW. The dehumanized have the right to dehumanize their oppressors, and the oppressors have no right to voice a complaint.

I don’t see the oppressors asking for forgiveness. There is no acknowledgement of the truth. The truth is that the TNIV is as respectable a Bible as the ESV. What was done to the translators of the TNIV is simply wrong, spiritually and in my view legally. They were false accusations and very unsavoury. Christianity has taken on a very different flavour for me since this attack. I see now it not personal against me, but a broad attack against anyone, or any group that does not give in to CBMW.

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