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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13741</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Denny for link, I will &quot;take up and read!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Denny for link, I will &#8220;take up and read!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Denny Burk</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13718</link>
		<dc:creator>Denny Burk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris,

Yes, I do. I think a faithful expression of the Bible&#039;s teaching on church polity is expressed here: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://filemanager.silaspartners.com/dox/9marks/pubs/DisplayofGodsGlory.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Display of God&#039;s Glory: Basics of Church Structure Deacons, Elders, Congregationalism &amp; Membership&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;
Take up and read!

Thanks,
Denny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris,</p>
<p>Yes, I do. I think a faithful expression of the Bible&#8217;s teaching on church polity is expressed here: &#8220;<a href="http://filemanager.silaspartners.com/dox/9marks/pubs/DisplayofGodsGlory.pdf" rel="nofollow">A Display of God&#8217;s Glory: Basics of Church Structure Deacons, Elders, Congregationalism &#038; Membership</a>.&#8221;<br />
Take up and read!</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Denny</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13673</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Mason&#039;s comments also.

Denny,
  Do you think that we, Southern Baptist especially, have failed to set up and promote proper leadership to begin with in our local churches?

IOW have we wrongly depended on &quot;one man shows&quot; instead of Elder boards made up of local men helping to bear the burdens that come with sinful men trying to love one another?

I am not saying there are not lazy men who do not want to labor in ministry, but maybe we put too much responsibility on &quot;one man shows&quot;

Kris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Mason&#8217;s comments also.</p>
<p>Denny,<br />
  Do you think that we, Southern Baptist especially, have failed to set up and promote proper leadership to begin with in our local churches?</p>
<p>IOW have we wrongly depended on &#8220;one man shows&#8221; instead of Elder boards made up of local men helping to bear the burdens that come with sinful men trying to love one another?</p>
<p>I am not saying there are not lazy men who do not want to labor in ministry, but maybe we put too much responsibility on &#8220;one man shows&#8221;</p>
<p>Kris</p>
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		<title>By: Carlito</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13558</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mason - I always enjoy your posts.  Keep &#039;em coming....!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason &#8211; I always enjoy your posts.  Keep &#8216;em coming&#8230;.!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13542</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas! Baptists.  

There was a time when Baptists were completely against fun; and now they&#039;re promoting it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas! Baptists.  </p>
<p>There was a time when Baptists were completely against fun; and now they&#8217;re promoting it!</p>
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		<title>By: Mason Beecroft</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13541</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason Beecroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is odd that &quot;conflict and pressure&quot; would keep men from the pastoral ministry. I wonder if these men are familiar with the New Testament. Do they realize that the ministry is about following Christ and proclaiming Him? I think &quot;conflict and pressure&quot; were present in His life and ministry. Maybe. And I remember that Paul, Peter, et al also had some experience with &quot;conflict and pressure.&quot; Certainly not fun, but infinitely important...

It is also odd that people are surprised by politics and sinful shenanigans in the Body of Christ. Isn&#039;t the church made up of sinners? Are we so caught up with our own self-imagined piety that we are surprised by sinful actions of others? Are we really that holy? Remember, sin refers to our very nature, and not just our actions or failures to act. If Paul could refer to the Corinthians as saints, then we should never be shocked by the presence of sin and the desires of the flesh even among those who bear the name of Christ. It should never be tolerated, and we are called to repentance in evert instance, but it should never be a shocker. Why else are we called to preach repentance and forgiveness of sins in the name of Christ?
+Mason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is odd that &#8220;conflict and pressure&#8221; would keep men from the pastoral ministry. I wonder if these men are familiar with the New Testament. Do they realize that the ministry is about following Christ and proclaiming Him? I think &#8220;conflict and pressure&#8221; were present in His life and ministry. Maybe. And I remember that Paul, Peter, et al also had some experience with &#8220;conflict and pressure.&#8221; Certainly not fun, but infinitely important&#8230;</p>
<p>It is also odd that people are surprised by politics and sinful shenanigans in the Body of Christ. Isn&#8217;t the church made up of sinners? Are we so caught up with our own self-imagined piety that we are surprised by sinful actions of others? Are we really that holy? Remember, sin refers to our very nature, and not just our actions or failures to act. If Paul could refer to the Corinthians as saints, then we should never be shocked by the presence of sin and the desires of the flesh even among those who bear the name of Christ. It should never be tolerated, and we are called to repentance in evert instance, but it should never be a shocker. Why else are we called to preach repentance and forgiveness of sins in the name of Christ?<br />
+Mason</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13522</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fun factor IS in the pastorate!  I get paid (!!) to pray, study scripture, preach, visit, and counsel people in the most significant times of life.  I GET PAID TO DO THAT!

Conversely I see many people who hate their jobs but because of lifestyle choices they are trapped.

Didn&#039;t Jesus say as found in Mark 10:29-31 the following...?

Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel,  30 who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.  31 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.

There is great &quot;fun&quot; in the pastorate... and rewards also!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fun factor IS in the pastorate!  I get paid (!!) to pray, study scripture, preach, visit, and counsel people in the most significant times of life.  I GET PAID TO DO THAT!</p>
<p>Conversely I see many people who hate their jobs but because of lifestyle choices they are trapped.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Jesus say as found in Mark 10:29-31 the following&#8230;?</p>
<p>Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel,  30 who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.  31 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.</p>
<p>There is great &#8220;fun&#8221; in the pastorate&#8230; and rewards also!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13517</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a youth pastor and am now the pastor in the same church.  Neither job has been &#039;fun.&#039;  It is not &#039;fun&#039; to watch people leave because they disagree with you.  It is not &#039;fun&#039; to watch as people go around behind you and try to run you off because you have preached something that maybe suggested to them that they are sinners.  But it is what God has called us to do.  Financial incentives should not play a factor either.  Has God called you to pastor?  Than pastor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a youth pastor and am now the pastor in the same church.  Neither job has been &#8216;fun.&#8217;  It is not &#8216;fun&#8217; to watch people leave because they disagree with you.  It is not &#8216;fun&#8217; to watch as people go around behind you and try to run you off because you have preached something that maybe suggested to them that they are sinners.  But it is what God has called us to do.  Financial incentives should not play a factor either.  Has God called you to pastor?  Than pastor!</p>
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		<title>By: GUNNY HARTMAN</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-fun-factor-and-ministry/#comment-13505</link>
		<dc:creator>GUNNY HARTMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thoughts to be thought, but I think Matthew&#039;s comments speak volumes.  The politics are a beating and the drain is the tomfoolery that sucks the life out of you when you&#039;d rather be &quot;doing ministry.&quot;

It&#039;s scary just how petty, selfish, and immature people IN THE CHURCH can be.  What I think most seminary students are not aware of is just how much of the beat down in pastoral ministry comes in the form of &quot;friendly fire.&quot;

The &quot;fun factor&quot; shouldn&#039;t necessarily come into play with regard to vocational calling, but I can certainly see how ministerial options other than the pastorate would be more appealing, especially the more educated one is about the pastorate - the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Yet, if that&#039;s your calling, you do it with a zeal for the glory of God alone.  If you get fired, you get fired to the glory of God.  If you pull your hair out, you take comfort in knowing that our Master endured far more.

I don&#039;t want to discourage (unnecessarily) those who are interested in the pastorate, but I heartily recommend some sort of internship where you can get close enough to a pastor to see what it really is all about.  

That&#039;s why I&#039;m such an advocate of taking seminary students under my wing as I pastor.  I think they benefit immensely in getting a &quot;reality show&quot; in the life of a church.

It helps them to know what they may be getting themselves into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thoughts to be thought, but I think Matthew&#8217;s comments speak volumes.  The politics are a beating and the drain is the tomfoolery that sucks the life out of you when you&#8217;d rather be &#8220;doing ministry.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s scary just how petty, selfish, and immature people IN THE CHURCH can be.  What I think most seminary students are not aware of is just how much of the beat down in pastoral ministry comes in the form of &#8220;friendly fire.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;fun factor&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t necessarily come into play with regard to vocational calling, but I can certainly see how ministerial options other than the pastorate would be more appealing, especially the more educated one is about the pastorate &#8211; the good, the bad, and the ugly.</p>
<p>Yet, if that&#8217;s your calling, you do it with a zeal for the glory of God alone.  If you get fired, you get fired to the glory of God.  If you pull your hair out, you take comfort in knowing that our Master endured far more.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to discourage (unnecessarily) those who are interested in the pastorate, but I heartily recommend some sort of internship where you can get close enough to a pastor to see what it really is all about.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m such an advocate of taking seminary students under my wing as I pastor.  I think they benefit immensely in getting a &#8220;reality show&#8221; in the life of a church.</p>
<p>It helps them to know what they may be getting themselves into.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the politics that scares me. It shocks me how selfishly and just plain fleshly I have seen people act who seemed to be church leaders. I don&#039;t want to preside at board meetings or spend hours of time in conflict resolution. I want to disciple others, study, teach, preach, counsel. Currently, something like &quot;family life pastor&quot; seems most appealing - leading small groups, planning retreats, teaching ABF, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the politics that scares me. It shocks me how selfishly and just plain fleshly I have seen people act who seemed to be church leaders. I don&#8217;t want to preside at board meetings or spend hours of time in conflict resolution. I want to disciple others, study, teach, preach, counsel. Currently, something like &#8220;family life pastor&#8221; seems most appealing &#8211; leading small groups, planning retreats, teaching ABF, etc.</p>
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