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	<title>Comments on: The Bishopâ€™s Unchristian Prayer</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-bishop%e2%80%99s-unchristian-prayer/#comment-48212</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, 

as a prayer, it doesn&#039;t make a lick of sense.

As a speech where you&#039;re really talking to everyone but God, but addressing &quot;God&quot; (just like the &quot;guy on main street&quot;) it was a good speech.

Frankly, the same thing can be said about Rick Warren&#039;s speech, but he used more &quot;Christian friendly&quot; language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, </p>
<p>as a prayer, it doesn&#8217;t make a lick of sense.</p>
<p>As a speech where you&#8217;re really talking to everyone but God, but addressing &#8220;God&#8221; (just like the &#8220;guy on main street&#8221;) it was a good speech.</p>
<p>Frankly, the same thing can be said about Rick Warren&#8217;s speech, but he used more &#8220;Christian friendly&#8221; language.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Brumbelow</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Brumbelow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In contrast, don&#039;t you think Rick Warren did a great job in his prayer today.  (see bpnews.net 1-20-2009)
He did not refer to Jesus&#039; name once, but four times in as many languages. 
David R. Brumbelow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In contrast, don&#8217;t you think Rick Warren did a great job in his prayer today.  (see bpnews.net 1-20-2009)<br />
He did not refer to Jesus&#8217; name once, but four times in as many languages.<br />
David R. Brumbelow</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having now heard the prayer, I am a little confused. If he addresses a &quot;god of many understandings&quot; and then references &quot;gods of other religions&quot;, whenever he says &quot;God,&quot; how do we know which one is he addressing? It sounds like addressing Guy on Main Street. Not that guy, but one of the many guys, who is a Guy on Main Street. 

Logically, his prayer doesn&#039;t make sense. To me at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having now heard the prayer, I am a little confused. If he addresses a &#8220;god of many understandings&#8221; and then references &#8220;gods of other religions&#8221;, whenever he says &#8220;God,&#8221; how do we know which one is he addressing? It sounds like addressing Guy on Main Street. Not that guy, but one of the many guys, who is a Guy on Main Street. </p>
<p>Logically, his prayer doesn&#8217;t make sense. To me at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Blackmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Blackmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t even begin to put into words what a sad say this is in this country.  However, I rest in the fact that God is still in control.  Romans 8:28 and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t even begin to put into words what a sad say this is in this country.  However, I rest in the fact that God is still in control.  Romans 8:28 and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other than being gay and being the first bishop to come public, is Gene Robinson known for anything else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other than being gay and being the first bishop to come public, is Gene Robinson known for anything else?</p>
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		<title>By: Darius T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul&#039;s back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul&#8217;s back!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>strangely, it is an awful, terrible, no good, very bad prayer.

But it&#039;s a pretty great speech.

And let&#039;s face it, these &quot;prayers,&quot; no matter who they&#039;re given by in these scenarios, are more about the speechifyin&#039; than the prayerifyin&#039;.

That said, I won&#039;t be stopping by Robinson&#039;s church any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>strangely, it is an awful, terrible, no good, very bad prayer.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a pretty great speech.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s face it, these &#8220;prayers,&#8221; no matter who they&#8217;re given by in these scenarios, are more about the speechifyin&#8217; than the prayerifyin&#8217;.</p>
<p>That said, I won&#8217;t be stopping by Robinson&#8217;s church any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian (Another)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian (Another)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don:

There is a difference between not discriminating and standing for your faith.  Thereâ€™s a difference between admitting we are idolaters and saying that idolatry is OK and we should embrace it (spot on that God is an idol-smasher).  There is a difference between having different views of God* versus being prepared to present a reason for the hope that we have.  Even in the most broad reading, this is non-Christian.  I am all for tolerance.  I agree that our freedom of speech affords all the right (privilege) of speaking in honor of whatever they want.  We canâ€™t say that Robinson doesnâ€™t have a right to be there (that would be discrimination in a negative manner).  He clearly does have the right (we donâ€™t live in a Theocracy).  However, there should be impassioned responses to this.  We should stand for our God.  Not doing so behind a veiled letâ€™s-all-be-friends (or log-plank) motif is the lukewarm church.  If youâ€™re giving a lecture on religions of the world, great, (we must) include talk of othersâ€™ beliefs, if youâ€™re discussing the rights of humans in-totem across the world, again, have at â€œthe godâ€™s of different peopleâ€ (we should).  When youâ€™re a Christian and you begin to pray to God, there is no room for praying to the many gods of others.

To tag onto what Joshua said (and Darius Amenâ€™d), I was reading Philippians the other day and ran across this:

&lt;em&gt;â€œFor, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.â€&lt;/em&gt;

Weeping for those who do not know Christ.  There is no justification for idolatry.  To attempt to dismiss it is to rejoice in their position.  We should be praying and weeping for them.  Something that should have been the first words out of my â€œmouthâ€ (to the joy of those around me, I donâ€™t read my comments aloud ;-).


* - Though anyone calling themselves Christian have a specific view of a singular God who became man and died for our sins....Robinson very clearly does not.  I know you didnâ€™t say that specifically as there is a difference between what God wants and who He is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don:</p>
<p>There is a difference between not discriminating and standing for your faith.  Thereâ€™s a difference between admitting we are idolaters and saying that idolatry is OK and we should embrace it (spot on that God is an idol-smasher).  There is a difference between having different views of God* versus being prepared to present a reason for the hope that we have.  Even in the most broad reading, this is non-Christian.  I am all for tolerance.  I agree that our freedom of speech affords all the right (privilege) of speaking in honor of whatever they want.  We canâ€™t say that Robinson doesnâ€™t have a right to be there (that would be discrimination in a negative manner).  He clearly does have the right (we donâ€™t live in a Theocracy).  However, there should be impassioned responses to this.  We should stand for our God.  Not doing so behind a veiled letâ€™s-all-be-friends (or log-plank) motif is the lukewarm church.  If youâ€™re giving a lecture on religions of the world, great, (we must) include talk of othersâ€™ beliefs, if youâ€™re discussing the rights of humans in-totem across the world, again, have at â€œthe godâ€™s of different peopleâ€ (we should).  When youâ€™re a Christian and you begin to pray to God, there is no room for praying to the many gods of others.</p>
<p>To tag onto what Joshua said (and Darius Amenâ€™d), I was reading Philippians the other day and ran across this:</p>
<p><em>â€œFor, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.â€</em></p>
<p>Weeping for those who do not know Christ.  There is no justification for idolatry.  To attempt to dismiss it is to rejoice in their position.  We should be praying and weeping for them.  Something that should have been the first words out of my â€œmouthâ€ (to the joy of those around me, I donâ€™t read my comments aloud <img src='http://www.dennyburk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>* &#8211; Though anyone calling themselves Christian have a specific view of a singular God who became man and died for our sins&#8230;.Robinson very clearly does not.  I know you didnâ€™t say that specifically as there is a difference between what God wants and who He is.</p>
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		<title>By: Denny Burk</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/the-bishop%e2%80%99s-unchristian-prayer/#comment-48167</link>
		<dc:creator>Denny Burk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, all. I&#039;ve updated the post with some links to reports about the prayer&#039;s exclusion from the HBO broadcast. Also, I&#039;ve posted Sarah Pulliam&#039;s YouTube video of Robinson&#039;s prayer. One last thing: there&#039;s a link showing three lines which were stricken from the final version of the prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, all. I&#8217;ve updated the post with some links to reports about the prayer&#8217;s exclusion from the HBO broadcast. Also, I&#8217;ve posted Sarah Pulliam&#8217;s YouTube video of Robinson&#8217;s prayer. One last thing: there&#8217;s a link showing three lines which were stricken from the final version of the prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bless us with freedom from mere tolerance...&quot;

At least he realizes that tolerance as properly defined and understood still means that people believe he&#039;s living a sinful life... so instead he prays that people &quot;warm[ly] embrace&quot; sinful lifestyles.  

&quot;Help him remember his own oppression as a minority...&quot;

Ah yes, that oppression that led him to be elected one of the youngest presidents in history.  Stupid oppression, always keeping the black man down.  In Robinson&#039;s world, it appears that just being a minority means you will be oppressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bless us with freedom from mere tolerance&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>At least he realizes that tolerance as properly defined and understood still means that people believe he&#8217;s living a sinful life&#8230; so instead he prays that people &#8220;warm[ly] embrace&#8221; sinful lifestyles.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Help him remember his own oppression as a minority&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah yes, that oppression that led him to be elected one of the youngest presidents in history.  Stupid oppression, always keeping the black man down.  In Robinson&#8217;s world, it appears that just being a minority means you will be oppressed.</p>
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