Comments on: President Obamaâ€™s Revolution

By: jeff miller

jeff miller — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:08:34 +0000

Hello Don,
Thanks for continuing the discussion on the nomos/law spoken of in the NT. My own understanding of your four possibilties shakes out like this: concerning #1, to try and seperate out of the OT, or out of the Torah, something called “civil law” is not an activity present in the minds of the authors of either the OT nor the NT. And then concerning #4, I do not think that any NT author calls, the oral tradition, “the law”.

By: Chris Carter

Chris Carter — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:17:42 +0000

I believe involvement in society is a good aim of the Church. However, it’s not essential, nor anything close to important as evangelism. And I don’t believe everyone is called to civic involvement unlike evangelism. And all Christians who take that charge must fulfill 1 Timothy 3. We’re a far cry from that goal.

By: Luther Butler

Luther Butler — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:51:41 +0000

President Obama took office at a very difficult time in our countries history. He has a very tough row to hoe, and he needs the prayers and support of all the citizens. May God help him.

By: Susan

Susan — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:34:55 +0000

I agree total with what the Word of the Living God says about homosexuality and all other sins He warned against. Not meaning “I” have to agree with God-just saying I refuse to support this so-called “leader” in his destruction of American aka Judeo/Christian values and morals–nor do I support his anti-Christ ways.

By: Ken Abbott

Ken Abbott — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:18:43 +0000

Lindsay: I don’t think of it as an “either-or” but a “both-and.” The overall call of Scripture is for personal holiness (achieved through regeneration, justification, and sanctification) and societal righteousness. Evangelism is one means God uses to bring about saving faith.

By: Don Johnson

Don Johnson — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:08:41 +0000

When the word nomos/law is used in the NT, one needs to discern what is being discussed, among the following possibilities:

1. Civil law.
2. Torah of Moses (Pentateuch)
3. Tanakh (what we call the OT)
4. So-called oral law of Pharisees.

By: Lindsey

Lindsey — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:08:28 +0000

Additionally, Ken, if a Christian person is persuaded that it is more important to draw the lost to Christ than it is to restrain and curb evil in this world, does that mean that the person is not actually a Christian? That’s the impression that I received from the statement I quoted.

By: PHIL

PHIL — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:42:47 +0000

We spend to much time on what government on this earth should do or not. We seem to forget that this not our final destination. Mr. Obama is ascending to power to fulfil God purpose one way or the order. I do not think the definition of marriage or gay right should the center of the conversation, Jesus should be. If we look back in old testament, God did not want let the Israelis fight much of the battle to the promise land, all they had to do is to believe and showed up. The message today does not change, just believe and show up, God will take care of rest.

We’re fighting a battle that not ours, let God take care of this one and we should go back to do our basis job which is take care of sick,the poor and the widows, seek justice for all and least not last let’s love one another.

By: Jeff Miller

Jeff Miller — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:23:19 +0000

Ken,
Would you say the law was a pedagogue to Israel until messiah came, or the law is a pedagogue to us?

By: Ken Abbott

Ken Abbott — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:12:51 +0000

But to the extent that Christian morality reflects God’s will for man’s behavior, one of the proper uses of law is to restrain and curb evil. If godly law is able to reign in (not eliminate) sin, that is a good thing, whether or not it results in salvation (which it cannot, but the law is a pedagogue that can lead one to Christ, who saves).