you know, fewer apples, fewer children… fewer republicans, fewer americans who vote without thinking… less hate….less murder by prolifers….less and fewer….

Preach it, Brother. Preach it. Paul needs to hear more.

David

1. Re. Sex Education – I do not think the reason that kids have sex (and pregnancies, abortions, STDs, etc.) is because lack of information. You can give them all the stats they can handle, and they’ll still have sex because they DO NOT CARE. They don’t care about emotional consequences and psychological consequences or even physical consequences because they think that it won’t happen to them. I work with students and I have had this discussion so many times my head wants to explode. The only hope is the Gospel. Christ transforming their hearts and minds so that they desire him more than fleeting pleasures. Those that do no follow Christ are guided by their pleasures (and teens are dumb when it comes to thinking through consequences) and logic is thrown out the window, stats are thrown out the window…they do not care. These sex ed plans are ludicrous and show how out of touch people in DC really are. Christians should be leading the fight to say, sex ed can’t help, only the Gospel can change people’s actions.

2. Well, if you have settled the issue of head coverings, I guess the debate is over.

3. Fair enough

4. I said nothing about YOUR family. Why did you take it so personal? (Hmm, we could dig deeper there…but I’ll refrain.) I simply said most people don’t have kids or more kids because they are selfish. It is a money thing. I did not say all, I said most…and I think that plays itself as true. They can justify it however they want, but that is the core reason for most couples. You say it doesn’t play for anyone you know. You’re a musician, if I remember correctly. (Right?) You are telling me that there is no musician around that decided not to have kids or only 1 kid because they wanted to keep the dream alive and shell money into recording albums and traveling or even not having a job that could support for their family in order to stay a musician? No one? Come on, I even know people like that. It happens in every field of work as well. I’ve heard women say that they only want 1 or 2 so their body doesn’t get all out of shape. Is that selfishness? People do what they want to do and justify how they want. But people are selfish about everything else, why would it be different on this issue?

Again with the assumptions.

1) Who says the entire education process should be about birth control? Proper and relevant sex education needs to include lots of things that simply aren’t being taught, like the emotional ramifications of sex before marriage. True stats concerning STD’s. The social ramifications amongst one’s peers. I don’t know what school you went to, but I went to one with more than a handful of teen mothers, and our sex ed instructors’ hands were tied. People want to think that this is a discussion over something as simplistic and one dimensional as simply birth control, and that’s not the case.

2) I’ve seen the flimsy arguments made about the head covering debate, and I think that they’re just that — flimsy. Either all of the words of Paul in the epistles were divinely inspired and just as important today as they were 2K years ago, or they were completely of their time. Now is certainly not the time to be inserting both/and logic into the discussion.

The barefoot and pregnant comment was just that — a snide comment with a wink and a smile. That it was taken as anything more serious than that says more about you than it does about me…and none of it for the good.

Fourth, you can tell me about my family’s reproductive decisions when you’re in my shoes. Sure, what you say might play for some folks, but it doesn’t play for anyone that I know.

Maybe you’d get your points across better if you’d quit insulting people. A lot of your comments show your hatred for anyone who disagrees with you. They are full of assumption, name-calling, and arrogance. I might point out that the arrogance is quite unwarranted considering the points you try to make are simply absurd a lot of the time.

Now, on to the issues raised…there were a lot so I’ll just mention what I remember off the top of my head.

First, why do you (and many Democratic leaders) assume that the reason so many people are having children out of wedlock and while in high school is because of lack of education?? I don’t know if you have ever talked to a middle schooler in our public school system, but they know about BCP and condoms. The reason that they have sex and have kids is a moral issue – they want to have sex, even without protection – because they can and don’t think it’ll happen to them. They know, they just don’t care. People like Obama and Pelosi just want money for their pet programs, no matter how ineffective and useless they really are.

Second, you might want to do a little reading about the headcovering issue before declaring that the ‘coup de grace’ of the comp/egal debate.

Third, no one is arguing to keep women barefoot and pregnant. That is simply a strawman.

Fourth, let’s face the issue honestly…the reason many people do not have kids or more kids is because of selfishness. They feel they deserve a certain level of lifestyle and they can’t have that boat if they have another kid. This is not always the case, but it is the case more often than not. If people really believed children were a blessing, maybe they would want more. I just think they have bought the lie that children are a parasite rather than a blessing.

I’m sure there are more issues to cover, but those are just the ones I could remember being brought up.

My wife is from the city of Chicago. Her father was a Romanian immigrant (came here in 1983) who worked as a machinist and hardwood floor installer, her mother stayed at home, they had 7 kids. They live on the North side in a well-to-do neighborhood and own their home outright. They did not have many luxery items (if any), and the kids had hand-me-downs, but they are all happy and doing well for themselves.

Your comment about cost of living and how it’s impossible to have multiple kids in a big city doesnt hold water with me. The cost of living is high if you want to own nice cars, have lots of luxery items and aren’t willing to put in the hard work that results from making such decisions. All you’re saying is that if people want to be selfish, and think only of their own happiness and comfort, then they cannot afford to have children. Which i concede is true.

David

Who has ever said,”After all, how can we keep women from speaking in church if they’re anything other than barefoot and pregnant?” Where does stuff like this come from? This is silly.

And, if birth control fails, then have the child. And, either keep the child, or give it up for adoption. I know of many people who would love to adopt a child. Also, there’s nothing disgraceful with growing up poor. Many people grow up poor. It’s hard, no doubt. But, it’s not the end of the world to be poor. Being poor certainly should not be a death sentence.

David