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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-21484</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 
I am fully aware that theocracies are dangerous things.  But they also have the potential of lending some great benefits.  I was simply pointing out that democracy has some serious issues, as well.  Look at where we&#039;ve come to in this country.  There are a lot of theocracies out there at least that don&#039;t legalize the murder of the unborn.  I just think that this country needs some accountability.  I&#039;m not necessarily advocating that theocracy is the answer, but keeping our mouths shut (which is the same as convincing the world that their views are acceptable) is certainly not the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,<br />
I am fully aware that theocracies are dangerous things.  But they also have the potential of lending some great benefits.  I was simply pointing out that democracy has some serious issues, as well.  Look at where we&#8217;ve come to in this country.  There are a lot of theocracies out there at least that don&#8217;t legalize the murder of the unborn.  I just think that this country needs some accountability.  I&#8217;m not necessarily advocating that theocracy is the answer, but keeping our mouths shut (which is the same as convincing the world that their views are acceptable) is certainly not the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-20862</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And by the way, am I missing something? What would be so wrong with a theocracy, anyway? Not having the option of arguing over moral issues, or what?&quot;

1) remember the puritans.

2) pick any Islamic country, save for Turkey or Indonesia, and tell me if you like what you see.

So, America becomes a theocracy.  Which denomination gets to make the rules?  If the Southern Baptists are the rule makers, then what to make of the peace churches or the more mainline denominations?  What if good ol&#039; Mitt is the guy who turns us into a theocracy.  You ready to go to jail for knocking Mormonism?

And while I am sure that you would say that we&#039;d leave the Jews, the Muslims, the Hindus and the Buddhists alone, you forget that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  I&#039;d guarantee major killing off of some political hot button group within 10 years.  

And if you think that we as Christians are too peaceful for that, I&#039;d remind you to take a look around at what conservative and supposedly Christian pundits have suggested.

Theocracies are dangerous things.  People who own history books and read them every once in a while understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And by the way, am I missing something? What would be so wrong with a theocracy, anyway? Not having the option of arguing over moral issues, or what?&#8221;</p>
<p>1) remember the puritans.</p>
<p>2) pick any Islamic country, save for Turkey or Indonesia, and tell me if you like what you see.</p>
<p>So, America becomes a theocracy.  Which denomination gets to make the rules?  If the Southern Baptists are the rule makers, then what to make of the peace churches or the more mainline denominations?  What if good ol&#8217; Mitt is the guy who turns us into a theocracy.  You ready to go to jail for knocking Mormonism?</p>
<p>And while I am sure that you would say that we&#8217;d leave the Jews, the Muslims, the Hindus and the Buddhists alone, you forget that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  I&#8217;d guarantee major killing off of some political hot button group within 10 years.  </p>
<p>And if you think that we as Christians are too peaceful for that, I&#8217;d remind you to take a look around at what conservative and supposedly Christian pundits have suggested.</p>
<p>Theocracies are dangerous things.  People who own history books and read them every once in a while understand this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-19943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So am I being hypocritical or legalistic, in your opinion(s)?  It is never a &quot;slippery slope&quot; to stand for what the Bible teaches.  And who says I am neglecting other commands, such as the neglect of the fatherless and the widow?  I gave a message at the local nursing home last weekend.  Not that I&#039;m trying to toot my own horn, but there are people out there who believe that what the Bible says is true, and try to live it out.  ALL OF IT.  And I accept the Scriptures as having verbal, plenary inspiration, and being best understood LITERALLY.  You place yourself in the position of a judge when you try to decide which commands to uphold and which ones to let slide.  

Were the OT prophets wrong in demanding holiness from all the people?  Was God wrong in taking Achen&#039;s life to preserve the purity of the people when he was plundering loot against God&#039;s will?  Where do we draw the line?  Why do we compromise when we could have God&#039;s best?  It is more loving to homosexuals to confront them with their sin then to tolerate it.  AS WITH ANY SIN.

And by the way, am I missing something?  What would be so wrong with a theocracy, anyway?  Not having the option of arguing over moral issues, or what?  

A little shocked and dismayed,
Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So am I being hypocritical or legalistic, in your opinion(s)?  It is never a &#8220;slippery slope&#8221; to stand for what the Bible teaches.  And who says I am neglecting other commands, such as the neglect of the fatherless and the widow?  I gave a message at the local nursing home last weekend.  Not that I&#8217;m trying to toot my own horn, but there are people out there who believe that what the Bible says is true, and try to live it out.  ALL OF IT.  And I accept the Scriptures as having verbal, plenary inspiration, and being best understood LITERALLY.  You place yourself in the position of a judge when you try to decide which commands to uphold and which ones to let slide.  </p>
<p>Were the OT prophets wrong in demanding holiness from all the people?  Was God wrong in taking Achen&#8217;s life to preserve the purity of the people when he was plundering loot against God&#8217;s will?  Where do we draw the line?  Why do we compromise when we could have God&#8217;s best?  It is more loving to homosexuals to confront them with their sin then to tolerate it.  AS WITH ANY SIN.</p>
<p>And by the way, am I missing something?  What would be so wrong with a theocracy, anyway?  Not having the option of arguing over moral issues, or what?  </p>
<p>A little shocked and dismayed,<br />
Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-19470</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan, 

that&#039;s just it.  Either folks like Jon are about to head down a very slippery slope, or they&#039;ll very quickly turn into hypocrites.

adultery faces the same consequences in the Bible as homosexuality does.  I am hoping that Jon tells his kids that people who sleep around ought to go to jail.  Even the heterosexual ones.

Being a stumbling block to others who are seeking Christ is also considered a heinous sin.  I am hoping that Jon is seeking the death penalty for Tom DeLay, Ken Lay and every televangelist who has ever slandered the goodness of God with their greed.

Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.  So should every Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and Pagan be thrown in jail as well?  For how long?  And what about atheists that have no god at all?  Do they get a pass?

one of the reasons Israel was condemned was because of their lack of charity.  Besides giving tithes to your church, what other charities have you given to this year Jon?  Have you donated to the Salvation Army?  Have you volunteered at a soup kitchen?  Done anything to help those weaker than yourself?  If not, what crime should we convict you of?

Women are supposed to have their heads covered in church.  Should we send cops in to raid every church where women don&#039;t cover their heads?

Either we live in a secular state where church and state are separate, or we live in a theocracy.  Which one do you want us to live in, Jon?  If it&#039;s a secular state, then you have no rational reason for denying homosexuals the right to marry.  If it&#039;s a theocracy, then I&#039;m moving somewhere with better taste in music and sport than this Brittany and NASCAR addicted society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan, </p>
<p>that&#8217;s just it.  Either folks like Jon are about to head down a very slippery slope, or they&#8217;ll very quickly turn into hypocrites.</p>
<p>adultery faces the same consequences in the Bible as homosexuality does.  I am hoping that Jon tells his kids that people who sleep around ought to go to jail.  Even the heterosexual ones.</p>
<p>Being a stumbling block to others who are seeking Christ is also considered a heinous sin.  I am hoping that Jon is seeking the death penalty for Tom DeLay, Ken Lay and every televangelist who has ever slandered the goodness of God with their greed.</p>
<p>Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.  So should every Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and Pagan be thrown in jail as well?  For how long?  And what about atheists that have no god at all?  Do they get a pass?</p>
<p>one of the reasons Israel was condemned was because of their lack of charity.  Besides giving tithes to your church, what other charities have you given to this year Jon?  Have you donated to the Salvation Army?  Have you volunteered at a soup kitchen?  Done anything to help those weaker than yourself?  If not, what crime should we convict you of?</p>
<p>Women are supposed to have their heads covered in church.  Should we send cops in to raid every church where women don&#8217;t cover their heads?</p>
<p>Either we live in a secular state where church and state are separate, or we live in a theocracy.  Which one do you want us to live in, Jon?  If it&#8217;s a secular state, then you have no rational reason for denying homosexuals the right to marry.  If it&#8217;s a theocracy, then I&#8217;m moving somewhere with better taste in music and sport than this Brittany and NASCAR addicted society.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan L</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-19424</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

You said &quot;Homosexuality, as all who read the Scriptures are aware, is listed among the most offensive sins and is never tolerated in Scripture.&quot;

So is not caring for the poor, aliens, widows and children. Look how often God punishes them for that (more so that homosexuality). How high up on your list is legislating that?

Blessings,
Bryan L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>You said &#8220;Homosexuality, as all who read the Scriptures are aware, is listed among the most offensive sins and is never tolerated in Scripture.&#8221;</p>
<p>So is not caring for the poor, aliens, widows and children. Look how often God punishes them for that (more so that homosexuality). How high up on your list is legislating that?</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Bryan L</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-19378</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan and others,

It&#039;s time to turn the tables a little bit:  Why should I think legislating homosexuality is an unimportant matter?  Homosexuality, as all who read the Scriptures are aware, is listed among the most offensive sins and is never tolerated in Scripture.  Legalizing homosexual marriage is admittance on the part of those involved in its legislation that it is an acceptable practice.  I fully expect that even my own children should feel the weight of the consequences of their sin, regardless of the nature of the sin.  Lying, cheating, stealing, murder, etc., all are wrong.  Now, obviously, not all crime deserves the same earthly punishment.  No government in history ever doled out the same consequence for petty theft as for first degree murder.  But that doesn&#039;t mean we should tolerate any of them.  Recognizing homosexual marriage is tolerating homosexual marriage.  The Scriptures cry &quot;foul&quot; and so do I.  Oh, and I don&#039;t advocate making slanderous remarks about Joel Osteen.  Telling the truth about him and his beliefs is enough to condemn him.

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan and others,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to turn the tables a little bit:  Why should I think legislating homosexuality is an unimportant matter?  Homosexuality, as all who read the Scriptures are aware, is listed among the most offensive sins and is never tolerated in Scripture.  Legalizing homosexual marriage is admittance on the part of those involved in its legislation that it is an acceptable practice.  I fully expect that even my own children should feel the weight of the consequences of their sin, regardless of the nature of the sin.  Lying, cheating, stealing, murder, etc., all are wrong.  Now, obviously, not all crime deserves the same earthly punishment.  No government in history ever doled out the same consequence for petty theft as for first degree murder.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean we should tolerate any of them.  Recognizing homosexual marriage is tolerating homosexual marriage.  The Scriptures cry &#8220;foul&#8221; and so do I.  Oh, and I don&#8217;t advocate making slanderous remarks about Joel Osteen.  Telling the truth about him and his beliefs is enough to condemn him.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan L</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-19056</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By locking people up for the things I mentioned. If I lie to you or slander Joel Osteen on this blog are the police coming to take me to jail? If someone cheats on his wife or a couple gets divorced are they going to jail? Do they legislate it in that manner? Or are you speaking about things like murder or stealing or whatever?

Blessings,
Bryan L

BTW Jon sorry for misspelling your name earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By locking people up for the things I mentioned. If I lie to you or slander Joel Osteen on this blog are the police coming to take me to jail? If someone cheats on his wife or a couple gets divorced are they going to jail? Do they legislate it in that manner? Or are you speaking about things like murder or stealing or whatever?</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Bryan L</p>
<p>BTW Jon sorry for misspelling your name earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-19052</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan,

The government already legislates morality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan,</p>
<p>The government already legislates morality.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-19049</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Thoroughly unoffensive.  That&#039;s why I like this blog.  People don&#039;t attack others like on other &quot;Christian&quot; blogs.

Grace and peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Thoroughly unoffensive.  That&#8217;s why I like this blog.  People don&#8217;t attack others like on other &#8220;Christian&#8221; blogs.</p>
<p>Grace and peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan L</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/more-on-rudy-giuliani/#comment-18998</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John are you really advocating that the government start legislating morality and locking people up if they do things the Bible call detestable (like what Yvette mentioned)? Do you really think the government should start sending homosexuals to jail (as well as people who lie or slander or gossip or who are greedy or who stir up dissension...)?

Do you really want America to be a theocracy? 

Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John are you really advocating that the government start legislating morality and locking people up if they do things the Bible call detestable (like what Yvette mentioned)? Do you really think the government should start sending homosexuals to jail (as well as people who lie or slander or gossip or who are greedy or who stir up dissension&#8230;)?</p>
<p>Do you really want America to be a theocracy? </p>
<p>Why?</p>
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