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	<title>Comments on: Gay Activists Oppose Rick Warren at Inauguration</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Templin</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/gay-activists-oppose-rick-warren-at-inauguration/#comment-47612</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Templin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cool sorry for the misunderstanding.</description>
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		<title>By: Darius T</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/gay-activists-oppose-rick-warren-at-inauguration/#comment-47611</link>
		<dc:creator>Darius T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I wasn&#039;t saying he&#039;s the Anti-Christ.  I wish my comment hadn&#039;t been deleted (not sure why, unless Denny doesn&#039;t want that rabbit trail followed), but I completely agree that he COULD be an anti-Christ, but who knows.  My bigger concern is with anti-Christ worldviews which are much more clearly discernible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I wasn&#8217;t saying he&#8217;s the Anti-Christ.  I wish my comment hadn&#8217;t been deleted (not sure why, unless Denny doesn&#8217;t want that rabbit trail followed), but I completely agree that he COULD be an anti-Christ, but who knows.  My bigger concern is with anti-Christ worldviews which are much more clearly discernible.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius T</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/gay-activists-oppose-rick-warren-at-inauguration/#comment-47610</link>
		<dc:creator>Darius T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, this is odd.  My comments in reply to questions asking if I thought Obama was the Anti-Christ were deleted, along with the instigating question.  In short, NO, I don&#039;t believe Obama is the Anti-Christ nor was I implying that.  The basic point of my comment was that Christians will likely offer significant aid and cover for any major evils in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, this is odd.  My comments in reply to questions asking if I thought Obama was the Anti-Christ were deleted, along with the instigating question.  In short, NO, I don&#8217;t believe Obama is the Anti-Christ nor was I implying that.  The basic point of my comment was that Christians will likely offer significant aid and cover for any major evils in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Templin</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/gay-activists-oppose-rick-warren-at-inauguration/#comment-47608</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Templin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius,

Obama is not the Anti-Christ...he might be an anti-Christ, but he is not the &quot;Beast&quot; from Revelation. That does not fit with the accurate hermeneutics and historical background of the New Testament. Do you really think that St. Johns original audience (1st century Christians under severe Roman persecution) the 7 churches, would have any intellectual capacity to conclude that Pres. Obama is the &quot;Beast&quot; that John was speaking of? Now I strongly dislike Mr. Obama, but in being faithful with the authority of scripture we cannot claim that he is something that the bible does not affirm. Check out the â€œGospel of the kingdomâ€ by George E. Ladd (historical premill) or â€œThe theology of the book of revelationâ€ by Richard Bauckham or basically any eschatologically themed writing by NT Wright for a  different eschatological perspective. 

P.S. please show me biblical support that the beast in the Apokalypse is the &quot;anti-christ&quot;.

In Christ,

Mike Templin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius,</p>
<p>Obama is not the Anti-Christ&#8230;he might be an anti-Christ, but he is not the &#8220;Beast&#8221; from Revelation. That does not fit with the accurate hermeneutics and historical background of the New Testament. Do you really think that St. Johns original audience (1st century Christians under severe Roman persecution) the 7 churches, would have any intellectual capacity to conclude that Pres. Obama is the &#8220;Beast&#8221; that John was speaking of? Now I strongly dislike Mr. Obama, but in being faithful with the authority of scripture we cannot claim that he is something that the bible does not affirm. Check out the â€œGospel of the kingdomâ€ by George E. Ladd (historical premill) or â€œThe theology of the book of revelationâ€ by Richard Bauckham or basically any eschatologically themed writing by NT Wright for a  different eschatological perspective. </p>
<p>P.S. please show me biblical support that the beast in the Apokalypse is the &#8220;anti-christ&#8221;.</p>
<p>In Christ,</p>
<p>Mike Templin</p>
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		<title>By: Alando Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/gay-activists-oppose-rick-warren-at-inauguration/#comment-47606</link>
		<dc:creator>Alando Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius,

Are you suggesting that if we as Christians resort to praying we will be nothing more than &quot;useful idots&quot;? If so, could you supply the biblical support for your argument?

Secondly, are you suggesting that Obama is the Antichrist? If so, could you supply the biblical support for it as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius,</p>
<p>Are you suggesting that if we as Christians resort to praying we will be nothing more than &#8220;useful idots&#8221;? If so, could you supply the biblical support for your argument?</p>
<p>Secondly, are you suggesting that Obama is the Antichrist? If so, could you supply the biblical support for it as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Darius T</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/gay-activists-oppose-rick-warren-at-inauguration/#comment-47577</link>
		<dc:creator>Darius T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alando, Denny is basically quoting Politico verbatim.  Furthermore, it is a fair comment to say that Christians need to be careful not to become &quot;useful idiots&quot; (as Lenin supposedly once said about Western communist sympathizers) for an anti-life agenda.  So while I applaud Obama&#039;s choice, I still agree that it doesn&#039;t necessarily indicate any shift in his overall policies.  

As Sinclair Lewis once said, &quot;when fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.&quot;  In other words, evil usually needs to have at least some semblance of a religious cover for it to long prevail, especially in a country like ours which is very religious.  That&#039;s why Hitler thought it was necessary to have a Reichbishop, a religious minister of the government so he could try to get the churches to go along with his plans (of course, he largely failed).  For all its faults, the Left Behind series did likely get one thing right about the end times and the Antichrist: most of the major religious leaders will promote the Antichrist as a savior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alando, Denny is basically quoting Politico verbatim.  Furthermore, it is a fair comment to say that Christians need to be careful not to become &#8220;useful idiots&#8221; (as Lenin supposedly once said about Western communist sympathizers) for an anti-life agenda.  So while I applaud Obama&#8217;s choice, I still agree that it doesn&#8217;t necessarily indicate any shift in his overall policies.  </p>
<p>As Sinclair Lewis once said, &#8220;when fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.&#8221;  In other words, evil usually needs to have at least some semblance of a religious cover for it to long prevail, especially in a country like ours which is very religious.  That&#8217;s why Hitler thought it was necessary to have a Reichbishop, a religious minister of the government so he could try to get the churches to go along with his plans (of course, he largely failed).  For all its faults, the Left Behind series did likely get one thing right about the end times and the Antichrist: most of the major religious leaders will promote the Antichrist as a savior.</p>
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		<title>By: Alando Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/gay-activists-oppose-rick-warren-at-inauguration/#comment-47575</link>
		<dc:creator>Alando Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, it appears that even if Obama saved a drowning man, someone would complain that he tore the man&#039;s shirt while pulling him out the water. It appears that no matter what this guy does, there will always be some negativity associated with it. There is something underlying there, just can&#039;t seem to put my finger on it. Here again, I commend Dr. Mohlers exhortation:

 â€œAmerica has chosen a President. President-Elect Barack Obama is that choice, and he faces a breathtaking array of challenges and choices in days ahead. This is the time for Christians to begin praying in earnest for our new President. There is no time to lose.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, it appears that even if Obama saved a drowning man, someone would complain that he tore the man&#8217;s shirt while pulling him out the water. It appears that no matter what this guy does, there will always be some negativity associated with it. There is something underlying there, just can&#8217;t seem to put my finger on it. Here again, I commend Dr. Mohlers exhortation:</p>
<p> â€œAmerica has chosen a President. President-Elect Barack Obama is that choice, and he faces a breathtaking array of challenges and choices in days ahead. This is the time for Christians to begin praying in earnest for our new President. There is no time to lose.â€</p>
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		<title>By: Denny Burk</title>
		<link>http://www.dennyburk.com/gay-activists-oppose-rick-warren-at-inauguration/#comment-47567</link>
		<dc:creator>Denny Burk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

Fair question. Actually, the analysis I gave above is not original with me. I am virtually quoting the Politico (a secular media outlet):

&#039;Despite the symbolism of picking Warren, Obama is likely to shift several substantive policy areas in directions that will please gay voters and their political leaders, including a pledge to end â€œdonâ€™t ask, donâ€™t tellâ€ in military service.&#039;

My main concern is not with divining Obama&#039;s motives in choosing Warren. My main concern is that evangelical leaders beware of participating in such a way that they provide political cover for policies that are destructive of human life and the family.

That is not to say that Warren shouldn&#039;t pray at the inauguration. I&#039;m just saying that leaders need to be careful here.

Thanks,
Denny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>Fair question. Actually, the analysis I gave above is not original with me. I am virtually quoting the Politico (a secular media outlet):</p>
<p>&#8216;Despite the symbolism of picking Warren, Obama is likely to shift several substantive policy areas in directions that will please gay voters and their political leaders, including a pledge to end â€œdonâ€™t ask, donâ€™t tellâ€ in military service.&#8217;</p>
<p>My main concern is not with divining Obama&#8217;s motives in choosing Warren. My main concern is that evangelical leaders beware of participating in such a way that they provide political cover for policies that are destructive of human life and the family.</p>
<p>That is not to say that Warren shouldn&#8217;t pray at the inauguration. I&#8217;m just saying that leaders need to be careful here.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Denny</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction to my #2 comment, the comment was made by &quot;Luke&quot;, not &quot;Jason&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction to my #2 comment, the comment was made by &#8220;Luke&#8221;, not &#8220;Jason&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over that the Jesus Creed today, a comment by &quot;Jason&quot; stated:

&quot;No doubt the neo-fundamentalists will say this is a political ploy to make Obama look bi-partisan, but it&#039;s more the &quot;calm before the storm.&quot; I don&#039;t understand why some, even if we disagree with the guy policy-wise, have to act like there is this hidden agenda beneath everything Obama does to try and increase gay-marriages and abortion.
The rhetoric is truly disturbing, and frankly, just downright embarrassing. To see other Christians talk like this about a noble and honorable gesture makes me embarrassed to be associated with Christians. Many of them just need to read the &quot;Prophesies of Godlessness&quot; book you blogged through a while back to help them see that the eschatological rhetoric has been going on for quite a while, and we&#039;re no worse now than we were then. There was never a golden age.&quot;

I, not having seen your post yet Denny, responded:

&quot;Luke #1-
What are you talking about? Have many come out and said such a thing? If not, it seems like you are setting up a straw man to knock down.
The only people really upset with this (at this point) appears to be homosexual rights advocates.&quot;

Then I come across your post and see that Jason was in fact prophetic.  

Denny-
   Can you not see some positives in the selection?  Are you just a &quot;the glass is 1/2 empty&quot; guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over that the Jesus Creed today, a comment by &#8220;Jason&#8221; stated:</p>
<p>&#8220;No doubt the neo-fundamentalists will say this is a political ploy to make Obama look bi-partisan, but it&#8217;s more the &#8220;calm before the storm.&#8221; I don&#8217;t understand why some, even if we disagree with the guy policy-wise, have to act like there is this hidden agenda beneath everything Obama does to try and increase gay-marriages and abortion.<br />
The rhetoric is truly disturbing, and frankly, just downright embarrassing. To see other Christians talk like this about a noble and honorable gesture makes me embarrassed to be associated with Christians. Many of them just need to read the &#8220;Prophesies of Godlessness&#8221; book you blogged through a while back to help them see that the eschatological rhetoric has been going on for quite a while, and we&#8217;re no worse now than we were then. There was never a golden age.&#8221;</p>
<p>I, not having seen your post yet Denny, responded:</p>
<p>&#8220;Luke #1-<br />
What are you talking about? Have many come out and said such a thing? If not, it seems like you are setting up a straw man to knock down.<br />
The only people really upset with this (at this point) appears to be homosexual rights advocates.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I come across your post and see that Jason was in fact prophetic.  </p>
<p>Denny-<br />
   Can you not see some positives in the selection?  Are you just a &#8220;the glass is 1/2 empty&#8221; guy?</p>
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