Comments on: Bruce Ware’s Complementarian Reading of Genesis http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/ A commentary on theology, politics, and culture Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:07:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bruce Ware’s Complementarian Reading of Genesis « At the end of myself…at the feet of Jesus http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-64041 Bruce Ware’s Complementarian Reading of Genesis « At the end of myself…at the feet of Jesus Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:32:05 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-64041 [...] http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%E2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/ [...] [...] http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%E2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/ [...]

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]]> By: Corrie http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-41605 Corrie Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:34:48 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-41605 Ellen, re: #1773 It sounds good at first glance. "Obviously, this leaves no room for exerting his marital authority for his own pleasure or convenience." What does that mean "exert his marital authority"? What would that look like? Don, "Quote any non-egal you choose. When the husband has invoked his (supposed-non-egal) option to break ties/decide/other euphemism and his wife says no, what happens then?" Basically it looks like the non-egal has the same option as the egal husband- to woo her, indulge her, explain things to her, and enlist the prayer support, do not speak sharply to her and do not shame her to others. Is this what exerting marital authority looks like (#1769)? Because I would say those are also a wife's options when her husband is rebellious to the word. When the rubber hits the road, I see no difference. I wonder if we word things a certain way to make some people feel better? Ellen,

re: #1773

It sounds good at first glance.

“Obviously, this leaves no room for exerting his marital authority for his own pleasure or convenience.”

What does that mean “exert his marital authority”? What would that look like?

Don,

“Quote any non-egal you choose. When the husband has invoked his (supposed-non-egal) option to break ties/decide/other euphemism and his wife says no, what happens then?”

Basically it looks like the non-egal has the same option as the egal husband- to woo her, indulge her, explain things to her, and enlist the prayer support, do not speak sharply to her and do not shame her to others.

Is this what exerting marital authority looks like (#1769)?

Because I would say those are also a wife’s options when her husband is rebellious to the word.

When the rubber hits the road, I see no difference.

I wonder if we word things a certain way to make some people feel better?

]]> By: Ellen http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-41604 Ellen Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:32:55 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-41604 <i>P.S. When Jesus washed the disciple’s feet, he did the act of the lowest slave in a household, as there was no sanitary plumbing with animals in the streets.</i> Just so. But it was not submitting. It was serving and that's what men are called to do. ahunt: <i>Surrender?</i> Christ surrendered His life. That doesn't mean He doesn't have authority. P.S. When Jesus washed the disciple’s feet, he did the act of the lowest slave in a household, as there was no sanitary plumbing with animals in the streets.

Just so.

But it was not submitting. It was serving and that’s what men are called to do.

ahunt: Surrender?

Christ surrendered His life. That doesn’t mean He doesn’t have authority.

]]> By: Don Johnson http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-41603 Don Johnson Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:24:23 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-41603 P.S. When Jesus washed the disciple's feet, he did the act of the lowest slave in a household, as there was no sanitary plumbing with animals in the streets. P.S. When Jesus washed the disciple’s feet, he did the act of the lowest slave in a household, as there was no sanitary plumbing with animals in the streets.

]]> By: Ellen http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-41602 Ellen Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:24:02 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-41602 <i>This is true, in the egal model, there is no unique leadership or authority role for the husband, both the husband AND wife have such.</b> Yes, that is where we disagree. Some folks see that either way can be read into the text, others call the opponents...both sides. This is true, in the egal model, there is no unique leadership or authority role for the husband, both the husband AND wife have such.

Yes, that is where we disagree. Some folks see that either way can be read into the text, others call the opponents…both sides.

]]> By: ahunt http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-41601 ahunt Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:22:38 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-41601 <i>All that he does with regard to his wife is to be for her good, not for his own pleasure or convenience. Thus, for the sake of meeting his wife’s genuine needs, a husband should be willing to surrender whatever is necessary in his career, recreation, relaxation, spending, and other areas of his life.</i> Surrender? All that he does with regard to his wife is to be for her good, not for his own pleasure or convenience. Thus, for the sake of meeting his wife’s genuine needs, a husband should be willing to surrender whatever is necessary in his career, recreation, relaxation, spending, and other areas of his life.

Surrender?

]]> By: Don Johnson http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-41600 Don Johnson Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:18:27 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-41600 This is true, in the egal model, there is no unique leadership or authority role for the husband, both the husband AND wife have such. This is true, in the egal model, there is no unique leadership or authority role for the husband, both the husband AND wife have such.

]]> By: Ellen http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-41599 Ellen Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:18:01 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-41599 <i>I agree with this as an egal, a husband is to sacrifice for his wife, to serve his wife. This is not describing a diff. between egals and non-egals.</i> Don, what you do <b>not</b> see is a directive to force an unsubmissive wife. Abuse is sin. Always. I agree with this as an egal, a husband is to sacrifice for his wife, to serve his wife. This is not describing a diff. between egals and non-egals.

Don, what you do not see is a directive to force an unsubmissive wife.

Abuse is sin. Always.

]]> By: Ellen http://www.dennyburk.com/bruce-ware%e2%80%99s-complementarian-reading-of-genesis/#comment-41598 Ellen Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:15:59 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162#comment-41598 ahunt, I don't see foot washing (in and of itself) as submitting. See above. I don't have a problem with husbands submitting to wives (although I think that egalitarians would define it differently). As Wayne Grudem puts is: "The result is what they call "mutual submission," and in their view that means that there is no unique authority or leadership role for the husband in a marriage. They redefine "submission" to mean something like "considerateness, thoughtfulness, an attitude of love toward one another, putting the other person's interests above your own." Of course no one can object to the ideas of mutual considerateness, thoughtfulness, and love! These are clearly taught in the New Testament. " ahunt, I don’t see foot washing (in and of itself) as submitting. See above.

I don’t have a problem with husbands submitting to wives (although I think that egalitarians would define it differently).

As Wayne Grudem puts is: “The result is what they call “mutual submission,” and in their view that means that there is no unique authority or leadership role for the husband in a marriage. They redefine “submission” to mean something like “considerateness, thoughtfulness, an attitude of love toward one another, putting the other person’s interests above your own.”

Of course no one can object to the ideas of mutual considerateness, thoughtfulness, and love! These are clearly taught in the New Testament. “

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