Comments on: Are You A Convergent Christian? http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/ A commentary on theology, politics, and culture Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:54:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ant http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-18482 Ant Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:50:48 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-18482 That i think is the mistake of many who look at the EM; ignorance governs assessment. As someone who has been following the movement from abroad and deeply worried about some of the trends that have come out of it, i have been worried by the response of many who seem to write it off without having a bigger picture. And so guys like Mark get lumped together with guys whom he has tried to distance himself from. Thanks for the post, lets hope this encourages more conversation about the pros and cons of the EM! That i think is the mistake of many who look at the EM; ignorance governs assessment. As someone who has been following the movement from abroad and deeply worried about some of the trends that have come out of it, i have been worried by the response of many who seem to write it off without having a bigger picture. And so guys like Mark get lumped together with guys whom he has tried to distance himself from. Thanks for the post, lets hope this encourages more conversation about the pros and cons of the EM!

]]> By: Blank Slate http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-18066 Blank Slate Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:45:42 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-18066 Jeremy, I live by that passage in Provebs by the way. Jeremy, I live by that passage in Provebs by the way.

]]> By: Blank Slate http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-18063 Blank Slate Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:27:19 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-18063 Hey Jeremy, I read your take on driscol as well as the responses you got at your blog... I will give you some grace cuz your young but man talk about character assassination, both on Driscol and Piper. You know neither and probably have read neither. Listen again to the Driscol message, he knows well two of the men he critiques and the third he know second hand, he has also contributed chapters in books with these men... Give it a rest and don't go blogging because your a youth pastor and think you have something intelligent to say... "Even fools are thought to be wise when they keep silent; when they keep their mouths shut, they seem intelligent." Prov. 17: 28. NLT Hey Jeremy, I read your take on driscol as well as the responses you got at your blog… I will give you some grace cuz your young but man talk about character assassination, both on Driscol and Piper.

You know neither and probably have read neither.

Listen again to the Driscol message, he knows well two of the men he critiques and the third he know second hand, he has also contributed chapters in books with these men…

Give it a rest and don’t go blogging because your a youth pastor and think you have something intelligent to say… “Even fools are thought to be wise when they keep silent; when they keep their mouths shut, they seem intelligent.” Prov. 17: 28. NLT

]]> By: jeremy z http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-17831 jeremy z Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:13:46 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-17831 I would love for all of you to check out what I had to say about your boy Mark. http://jeremyzach.blogspot.com/ Denny you are the best! I would love for all of you to check out what I had to say about your boy Mark.

http://jeremyzach.blogspot.com/

Denny you are the best!

]]> By: Convergent Christianity « Cavman Considers http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-17606 Convergent Christianity « Cavman Considers Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:27:42 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-17606 [...] Oct 4th, 2007 by cavman Argh!  Another nickname, title, movement or whatever.  I’m familiar with convergent worship (a term popularized by the late Robert Webber).  Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary hosted a conference on the Convergent Church- which if I get Denny Burk right, is the theologically conservative wing of the emerging church (basically Driscoll and Acts 29).  Anyway, Denny has the links to the MP3s by Driscoll, Ed Stetzer and others. [...] [...] Oct 4th, 2007 by cavman Argh!  Another nickname, title, movement or whatever.  I’m familiar with convergent worship (a term popularized by the late Robert Webber).  Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary hosted a conference on the Convergent Church- which if I get Denny Burk right, is the theologically conservative wing of the emerging church (basically Driscoll and Acts 29).  Anyway, Denny has the links to the MP3s by Driscoll, Ed Stetzer and others. [...]

]]> By: Convergent Conference « Truthseeker http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-17556 Convergent Conference « Truthseeker Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:26:26 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-17556 [...] Convergent Conference On his blog, Denny Burk links to all the audio from the recent conference at Southeastern Seminary where one of the speakers was Mark Driscoll.    [...] [...] Convergent Conference On his blog, Denny Burk links to all the audio from the recent conference at Southeastern Seminary where one of the speakers was Mark Driscoll.    [...]

]]> By: Chase http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-17542 Chase Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:24:15 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-17542 Denny, Thansk for posting these! Very informative! Denny, Thansk for posting these! Very informative!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-17541 Matthew Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:20:34 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-17541 Denny, thanks for the link. I liked the comments towards the end: - the world has changed - his disagreement with emergent is not in the deconstruction but in the reconstruction - the importance of respect for older theologians - His comments about emergent loving Jesus the man but not Jesus the God-man are worth remembering. - the incarnation by definition created a "worldy" Jesus that the religious leaders decided to murder - go out into your city. go to facebook. notice trends like halo3, ultimate fighting, world of warcraft. Overall, I have a hard time listening to Driscoll. He gives me the impression of someone who mocks those who disagree and steamrolls questions that don't easily agree with him. Such people can create successful movements but they can also leave a lot of needless victims behind. He should be more fair to those he disagrees with. Just one example: his comments to a trajectory hermeneutic would leave you with the impression that Webb argues for homosexuality in "Slaves, Women, and Homosexuals" - but that is false. In fact, Webb argues against it. But Driscoll is so interested in mocking the view that he almost slanders the book. One more: it is hypocritical to complain about bad language in culture then turn around and laugh at Driscoll's deep SHIfT comment. Even so, his comments about Paul at Mars Hill, subversion, sectarianism, changing method but not doctrine (the two fists example), etc. were worth the time of the whole message. Denny, thanks for the link.

I liked the comments towards the end:
- the world has changed
- his disagreement with emergent is not in the deconstruction but in the reconstruction
- the importance of respect for older theologians
- His comments about emergent loving Jesus the man but not Jesus the God-man are worth remembering.
- the incarnation by definition created a “worldy” Jesus that the religious leaders decided to murder
- go out into your city. go to facebook. notice trends like halo3, ultimate fighting, world of warcraft.

Overall, I have a hard time listening to Driscoll. He gives me the impression of someone who mocks those who disagree and steamrolls questions that don’t easily agree with him. Such people can create successful movements but they can also leave a lot of needless victims behind.

He should be more fair to those he disagrees with. Just one example: his comments to a trajectory hermeneutic would leave you with the impression that Webb argues for homosexuality in “Slaves, Women, and Homosexuals” – but that is false. In fact, Webb argues against it. But Driscoll is so interested in mocking the view that he almost slanders the book. One more: it is hypocritical to complain about bad language in culture then turn around and laugh at Driscoll’s deep SHIfT comment.

Even so, his comments about Paul at Mars Hill, subversion, sectarianism, changing method but not doctrine (the two fists example), etc. were worth the time of the whole message.

]]> By: Carlito http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-17428 Carlito Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:53:25 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-17428 Driscoll's "bloggers who live with their moms" comment is classic.. haha Driscoll’s “bloggers who live with their moms” comment is classic.. haha

]]> By: danny http://www.dennyburk.com/are-you-a-convergent-christian/#comment-17410 danny Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:36:15 +0000 http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=892#comment-17410 thank you for linking to the audio. i knew it was out there, but wasn't sure where. (especially since i was thinking this was done at sbts, not sebts!) thank you for linking to the audio.

i knew it was out there, but wasn’t sure where. (especially since i was thinking this was done at sbts, not sebts!)

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