Comments on: Abortion and Healthcare Reform

By: Drew

Drew — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:37:33 +0000

Abortion is murder and to pay taxes for this health care bill is no different than it would be to pay taxes to support the holocaust.

By: Donald Johnson

Donald Johnson — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:10:04 +0000

Looks like the Dems are going to ignore Stupak.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100311/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul

By: David Vinzant

David Vinzant — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:33:46 +0000

Ryan and Matt,

Read post #15, second paragraph.

By: Matt Svoboda

Matt Svoboda — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:36:12 +0000

Im with Ryan… Darius is definitely right on this one.

Anyone that looks at this objectively can see that the “Obama cronies” are not being truthful. If his amendment is pointless it makes NO sense why they wouldnt let it pass. So why wont they let it past? Because it ISNT pointless!

By: Ryan K.

Ryan K. — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:07:27 +0000

Darius is right on with this one. If the Senate bill will not change the status quo of the Hyde Amendment, which the Stupak amendment ensures, then why not just allow it?

Why continue to try and tell the narrative as the only reason health care reform is being held up is because of obstructionist Republicans? When in reality its because Nancy knows she does not have the votes right now, especially without Stupak.

By: Darius T

Darius T — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 04:57:35 +0000

Matthew, have you even read any of David’s comments??? You’re being absurd.

By: David Vinzant

David Vinzant — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:29:41 +0000

Please tell me one of the lies you claim they told. The “argument” you name sounds like a slippery slope argument. IOW, this bill doesn’t fund abortion, but another one might.

I don’t think the opponents to the amendment say it is pointless. They say it will take away abortion coverage from people who have it now and want to keep it.

By: Matthew Staton

Matthew Staton — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:26:40 +0000

Darius, dude, I say this not to hurt you but to encourage you to develop your communication skills: your arguments are deeply frustrating to me even when I agree with you!

Comments 7, 10, and 12 are more ad hominem and character/intelligence slurs than content.

I think you are making 2 points: ABC did not refute a particular claim by Stupak and the resistance to Stupak’s ammendent is telling. But these points are so painted over by insults that you have look hard to see them.

By: El Bryan Libre

El Bryan Libre — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:19:00 +0000

Maybe Stupak wants to run for Governor and this is his chance to get his name out there. It would probably make him look especially willing to take on Washington which seems to be working well for politicians right now. I wouldn’t just assume his motives are genuine.

I did see him on some news show the other day and he made the claim that like a dollar was being put aside from everyone to fund reproductive services (which includes abortion). I don’t have any reason to doubt that. I don’t really like the idea of me putting a dollar aside that may be used to help someone have an abortion.

Still, this whole thing did make me wonder about the issue of our taxes dollars funding things that we don’t agree with morally that are still legal and what our role or responsibility is. I don’t like the idea of my tax dollars funding war but it does. I’m also not big on the death penalty and so the idea that my tax dollars fund that as well bothers me. I’m sure I could think of a whole bunch of other things my tax dollars fund that I don’t agree with morally if I gave it some more thought. I guess it’s just the nature of the beast though. I don’t see how abortion is really any different from those other things since either way it’s still legal and Stupak language or not it’s still going to continue to take place in high numbers. I’d like to see health care reform pass and I hope this issue doesn’t keep it from doing so, especially since I really don’t know how the abortion issue would change much whether Stupak’s abortion language is included in the bill or not.

By: Darius

Darius — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:51:24 +0000

They resorted to the same lies that I’ve heard repeated over and over. It doesn’t take much intelligence to see through them. They didn’t even refute Stupak’s arguments… his claims that even if at first blush it seems like abortion won’t be funded, it won’t be long before it is.

Come on, Stupak WANTS the health care bill to pass, why would he put up this fight? Look at it honestly for once and you have to admit, Stupak is the only one in a position where his motive has to be genuine. Meanwhile, the Obama cronies claim that Stupak is tilting at windmills, yet they won’t let his amendment into the bill. If his amendment is pointless, then why not just let it pass? Very telling indeed.